my first time to the new track

[elchupacabras]

i didnt particularly care for the setup ecspecialy in the pits watching the race was a little difficult its still hard to get to the bleachers to sit i agreed the track needed changes before but i think the changes made it worse because it was known for how big the track was and how fast it was now its just another typical cookie cutter track. turns three and four were almost like going up and back down a hil i think the enduro was a little boring because the track was so wet and they was not going fast at all it was more like a derby not an enduro-an endurance race for automobiles that tests endurance. (that race was none of the above) we brought a "bomber" to the races last night and they were all over the cars in inspection some of the guys working had no idea either what they were trying to do or the rules there were trying to abide by my advice is the next time your expecting 30 or more cars get the rules right the first time and stick to them. i also think that they need to start a purestock class that would help some of the v8 guys wanting to run an enduro but put to much time and efort into there cars to get them tore up and it would help some of the lowbudget racers who want to "race" but dont have the money for a so called bomber.srry for all the criticism but its just my opinion

[Mike]

I'm not sure how you can say changing the track made it worse. The big track had a bad reputation for being hard on motors which kept a lot of guys away. Since it's been changed the modifieds have been averaging around twenty. A couple times this year there was actually more modifieds at Brushcreek than there were at KC or Portsmouth and I'm not just talking about the big American Heritage weekend.

Brushcreek had 17 late models last night. Through out the year several drivers has raced at Brushcreek who wouldn't even consider racing there before the changes do to the reputation of the track being hard on motors. With a little better pay off the average car count would probably be better in the late model class. Even with the payout they had this year they had 17-18 late models this year a few times

Even with Moler running a $1,000 to win modified show and a $1,500 to win late model show a few miles down the road and Portsmouth running a $5,000 to win late model show Brushcreek still ended up with a pretty good car count in both classes.

Also, I believe the bomber shoot out at Brushcreek actually ended up with more cars then KC had for their Hobby Stock "Tomahawk 20" and Rocky Top Raceway had for their Bomber Bash 25 a few months back

Brushcreek is now a "Cookie cutter" track? That's the first time I have heard that. Turns 3 & 4 are totally different from 1 & 2. One side is a big sweeping high banked turn while the other is a tighter turn that is not banked as much.

I believe that at a cookie cutter track you generally have similar turns with true straight aways. Drivers on the gas down the straights on the brakes hard going into the turn slow through the corners and back on the gas down the straight away lap after lap.


Every driver I've talked to says Brushcreek is still fast. I've heard a few say in post race interviews it's still fast but doesn't take a big motor to win now. It requires more car control now then it did before the changes.

There are more guys that run those enduro race than there would be in a pure stock class. Low budget racing is those enduro races. You buy a car knock the windows out remove the trim and bolt, chain or weld the doors shut and your on the track. In fact several guys that race in the upper classes also run in those enduros. It's not uncommon to see late model drivers, modified drivers, Chevette drivers and bomber drivers racing in an enduro car.

Sorry I didn't mean to pick apart your opinion. Just some stuff to consider, but hey your entitled to your own opinion

[Richard]

i agree Mike like Bob Crace JR Raced a Enduro Car And Lots More Race Car Drivers They Said they Loved it that it was FUN

[racerchick]

I would like to say thanks for visiting Brushcreek Motorsports Complex. This is a great track to race at. New changes for this season has been an improvement for this track and the racers are proving it. Car count for Sept. 1, 2007 was near 100 just for its regular night of racing and the Bomber Shootout. Not to mention the large turnout for the Enduro. The track is going in the right direction. A little more tweaking to this track and it will be great. And for the enduro, it must be a lot of fun for a lot of people car count proves it!!! I find it fun just to watch, sorry you missed it!!

[elchupacabras]

although the track change was not to my likings like i said before but was disregarded by some people i think that if you want to win you need to build a good motor the ones that couldnt withstand the rpms at the old track were probably junk motors built by someone who doesnt know much. anyways the track needed changed i agree because not to many people could build the type of motors needed to win. the comment made about the cookie cutter track was made because there is to much 3/8 mile tracks aroung the u.s. it should have been a 1/2 and actually have straight aways and turns unlike the other track yah the car count wasnt to bad but i thought the races were not as good and competitive as kc or portsmouth it was more of a follow the leader bomber race so you cant tell me it was the greatest race since sliced bread but i do agree about the car count. the enduro may have been a fun race to be in if you had a junk car and didnt care about wrecking it yea some other big name drivers run in it but i still like the idea of a purestock v8 class were all of the stock monte carlos, camaros, buiks,and thunderbirds are able to come together from the enduro side and the bomber side. the bomber class is just like the rest of the bomber classes around here there not stock cars there are some that are more of a limited latemodel type car.i raced at southern a couple of years ago for my first time in a pure stock class and it was the best track i have raced on or watched a dirt race in southern ohio on it was perfect size real fast and not to many motors broke they had good rules for there classes and they had good all around classes just not the car count because of the tracks reputation the last couple of years it was open the people who ran it was not the best promoters nor were they reliable but the track was great shape and the classes were good maybe im trying to pick this track apart at brushcreek a little to much but i wish they had a track open that was like southern used to be.

[Mike]

elchupacabras,

Your certainly entitled to your opinion. I was just having a friendly debate.

No offense but some of the motors that blew up on the big track were not just junk motors. I saw Scott Bloomquist blow two up in one night. I'm pretty sure his equipment is not junk.

I do think the big track's reputation for blowing up motors was over rated though. I saw some of the locals run week after week with no problems. Then some who hadn't been there before or didn't race there often would have motor problems and it seemed it was always blamed on the track being hard on motors. When most of the time it was probably guys running the wrong gear and turning two many RPMS or lack of preventive maintenance ect.

Nobody said it was the greatest bomber race ever. However by looking at where guys started and where they finished you can tell it was a pretty good race with some passing. The winner didn't come from the front row. Jim Hilterbran advanced 6 positions. Rob Smith advanced 11 positions Brandon Thompson advanced 8. I don't think those guys were playing follow the leader.

Finsih(start)Driver
1. (5) John Powell Jr.
2. (3) Jamey Adams
3. (1) Jeremie Bretz
4. (10) Jim Hilterbran
5. (2) Kyle Payne
6. (8) Conard Newman
7. (18) Rob Smith
8. (16)Brandon Thompson
9. (6)Brian Sammons
10. (12)Shannon Enoch
11. (11)Jayme Dailey
12. (20)Joseph Buskirk
13. (17)Carl Warren
14. (19)Chad Barr
15. (15)John Rayburn
16. (9)Tommy Mossbarger
17. (13)Aaron Foccum
18. (7)Matt Edmisten
19. (4)Shane Newman
20. (14)Wayne Hughes

The race wasn't as competitive as KC or Portsmouth ? Seven of KC's top 10 2007 Hobby stock points men were at Brushcreek Saturday.

Jamey Adams, Tommy Mossbarger Conard Newman, Jeremie Bretz and Wayne Hughes have been track champions at other tracks. There may have been more that I missed.

I would like to see more stock appearing cars in the bomber class too, but with all the different rules for different tracks your going to get some of those "limited Late model" looking street stocks. There were actually some sticker rules than most tracks use. You had to do more then just meet a weight requirement. A few guys didn't get to race because of short wheel bases, 4 link suspensions ect. You used KC as a measuring stick. They allow those "Limited Late Model" looking hobby stocks.

As far as the enduro's go. You mentioned Pure Stocks as a low budget form of racing. I was merely stating you don't get more low budget then an enduro car. Yes some people will junk their car in the first enduro race, but I have seen guys run the same car six or seven times. I don't think the pure stock class would draw as many participants as the enduro races do either.

Once again, nothing personal just a friendly debate. Your entilted to your own opinion

[elchupacabras]

mike

i must thank you for letting me vent my frustrations ya i will have to agree i think kc has the worst bomber rules around here with cars getting away with alot of things ecspecially suspension and weight wise good luck with the track.

by the way whats the pay for the enduro class and how far back do they pay.

[Mike]

elchupacabras,

No problem I'm always up for a friendly debate ;D

As for the enduro it only pays to win. I believe it's $500 to win.
But at the October 6th enduro The Best Decorated Enduro Car will also receive $250

There is a $25 registration fee to enter a car in the enduro and you must provide your own scorer.

I wouldn't suggest putting a pure stock in it though. I know I said some people use the same car 5 or 6 times but a lot of people junk theirs in their first one. I would run a car that you didn't care if it got junked or not. A lot of people buy cheep cars that they don't worry about junking knock the windows out and remove the trim, and chain, bolt or weld shut. Just make sure you have DOT 70 SERIES tires and don't weld the rear end together. A few guys have been disqualified in the pass for welded rear ends


Here is a copy of the rules that can be found on www.brushcreekmotorsports.com

ENDURO RULES

1. Completely stock car. $25 Registration Fee.

2. All glass, trim and plastic must be removed

3. If roll cage, 4 points or more.

4. Seatbelts and shoulder belts required.

5. Must have fire extinguisher located in easy accessible position.

6. Doors must be chained, bolted or welded shut.

7. Driver windshield protection must be bars or screen.

8. No smaller than mis-sized cars are allowed.

9. Nobody under 16 years of age. 16 years old must have parent permission.

10. No derby cars, must have straight body.

11. No snow tire or mud tread. DOT 70 SERIES TIRES ONLY.

12. Must have 18" number and be able to see plainly.

13. No rub rails.

14.Fuel tanks must be in original position.

15. Tire changing and radios OK

16. No reinforced bumpers allowed.