LLM rules

[bailey]

What is everybodys take on llm rules in southern Ohio? They are alot differant than most. Anything you would like to see changed carb,tires ect.?

[Fastracdaddy83]

Bailey, I own so much stock in 10 inch tires and wheels, I would hate to see it change. Also, we own a very expensive two barrel carb. Usually, a motor will only lose 50-60 horses with a change. Steve #83

[bailey]

I would have agreed with you last year I was a beginner and ran 6 races between prp&brushcreek this year I have been running llms here in NorthCarolina with big tires and a 4 barrel the car just likes the big tires plus I have been buying used tires off of my competitors that have 1 race on them for 20.00 but I still have my old carb & tires and I am going to run some races up there in Ohio I'll be in the #72 rocket april 30th at sos.

[Doc22]

Guys you are limiting your car count with the 2 barrel and small tire rule. The only tracks running those rules are you and prp and brushcreek. All WV tracks and most Ky tracks as well as most Ohio tracks are allowing 4 barrels and big tires. You aren't saving your drivers any money. I good 2 barrel cost more than a 4 barrel. And like you guys already said, you can get nice late model tires for less than $25 each. I have one guy who gives me his. I can get a used wheel and tire for less than you pay for 1 new 10" tire. Just bought 3ea. 14inch wheels with tires for $160. All good stuff. Weld HS with hoosier d03's and d06. Plus, track owners and promoters.....your track will stay in better shape with the big tires, Down in Ga almost every class runs a big tire to keep down costs and take care of the track. Some tracks actually haul good clay in. Use big tires to take care of it. Big tires make for a safer and better show because cars handle better. No negatives to big tires or 4 barrels. Good ole 4777 double pumper Used $50$-150..NEW $349 FROM SUMMIT. REMANUFACTURED $304..took mine out of box, removed choke, been running it for 5 seasons. Love it! Never even adjusted it. If you want to spend money to modify, JDR has a nice one for @$600 ($300 if you have your own core). 2 barrel you have to spend a lot money to make it even close to right. Plus when you're ready to move to Super Late Models, you already have the basic equipment. Also; if you visit a track with no LLM or a low car count and have to run with Late's your in good shape to at least get some starting money and probably finish well out of last place. No brainer here boys! Join the rest of the world. A little change feels good sometimes.

[bailey]

I agee Doc but it is the tracks that will not change.

[Doc22]

I know. Looks like these guys would talk once awhile. If you ask the drivers I'd say the majority would rather run big tires and 4 barrels, I know all the guys I talked to would. WV LLM drivers don't run at PRP, SOS, or Brushcreek for that reason and they won't run Coal Grove either when it opens for the same reason. If the drivers quit running these tracks they will change the rule. Sounds like most have already. Everyone complaining of low car counts. Of course, the cost of racing hasn't helped. We have guys building $10,000-$15,000 motors and racing for $300-$400 to win. There has to be a limit somewhere. WWW.FASTRAKRACING.COM This is the future if we're gonna have one. The owners can't pay us more money just because we built a big motor. We have to put butts in the seats. Making us spend all our money on crappie tires and cheater 2 barrel carbs to keep from leaning out our motors and burning up pistons, then raping us at the gates doesn't help. Guys leave their families at home because if they don't they can't afford to be there. All the owner gets out of that is empty stands, empty pockets, and a rutted up race track from running small tires on it. We're in a rut. We all know what a rut is: a grave with the ends kicked out.

[Fastracdaddy83]

Sounds like a great sales pitch! Email that to PRP and Brushcreek. I just hate to give up a great motor for a motor that is far inferior. How much horsepower does the crate motor have? Wouldn't it be slower when you do have to run with the late models? Steve #83

[Doc22]

There are 3 Crate motors 355 hp, 385 hp, and 400 hp. I don't know much about them yet. But the 400 hp can be viewed at www.dixiespeedway.com. This motor is already being used for the Semi Late Class as close to us as Elkins WV, Wytheville, VA. and all over the south. Beckley, WV is making the move soon I hear. The spec. motor is a 460 hp 7700 rpm torque monster. Understand, if you are running the Fastrak Series. Everyone is running these motors. The smaller motors get a weight allowance to keep it fair for example the 355hp he can weigh 2300lbs the 460 hp spec has to weigh 2450lbs. There won't be any having to run with the Lates in this series. We only run every other week so on your off weeks if you run somewhere else...who knows. I do know our director is going to schedule us some non-point big money races on our off weeks to help promote the series. Of course, it's completely voluntary whether you run them or not. I believe that in the very near future these rules will be wide spread for Semi-Lates. The series very correctly defines what a Semi-late should be. The series also runs a spec tire so everyone is on the same tire. (there are provisions made for tracks and/or drivers who have contractual tire deals for the first season, you can run your brand but it has to be an equal compound to ours, they will be measured!) However, the guys are giving our x400 Goodyear very good reviews. (Hoosier guys don't get too bent out of shape, the Hoosier people wouldn't talk anything close to the deal we got.) I plan to run the 4 on my car and have 4 spares 2- 29's and 2 -28.5's. Period. I won't need, d03's, d06's, d11's,d12's, d15's,d30's and d55's anymore. Save's me space and $$ on tires and wheels.(especially wheels) We can still get used one's from Super Late guys particularly the Xtreme guys, Plus levels the playing field by putting us all on the same tire. Besides Goodyear is providing a large portion of our $30,000 points fund and our $1500-$3000 to win weekly purse. I always said if I had a sponsor shelling out big bucks I'd push whatever he was selling.(as long as it's legal) Now I gots me one. We have a 2 year contract with them too so the money will be there about as long term as it gets in dirt racing. This thing is coming whether fastrak does it or someone else. It's inevitable. For once the change is in our favor. I'm not going to fight it. This series increases our pay, our points fund, levels the playing field, decreases our expenses, provides weekly TV exposure for us, the tracks, and our sponsors thru advertising, and gives us the experience we need to step up to Super Lates when/if the time comes. For the track owners we put butts in the seats. For the fans, we provide them with an exciting side by side action packed show. Everything isn't mandated to us though. We can use any legal Late Model chassis, your set-up and suspension type is up to you, tranny is up to you,(no in/out boxes) bert, brinn, falcon, raptor,saginaw, auto, all ok. rear-end of your choice. NO TRACTION CONTROL! Our fuel WILL BE spec fuel.(it will be checked) VP93 for the crates and VP110 for the spec motor. VP is also sponsoring the series and providing alot of the capital. As you might imagine, the 460 hp spec motor is the popular choice among the current series drivers down south. Guys I'm so pumped up about this series I could talk about it all day. In fact, most days I do. : ) I am getting very positive response from both drivers and track owners. This series is not only going to help us but the local economy will get a shot in the arm as well. The motors are long blocks and include the intake and oil pan but everything else comes from your local parts guy, we're a touring series so restaurants, gas stations, and motels benefit, with the TV exposure we're another outlet for advertising for our sponsors, the spec motor will be built by local engine builder. (TBA) I'm not saying this series is going to be 100% perfect or that we won't have our bumps in the road, but it sure beats the crap out of anything I have seen or heard yet. Nothing I have seen has more credibility, more organization, is as controllable, or even as do-able. Do you guys realize this plan can actually make our racing not only pay for itself but, God Bless Em'! make it profitable! I have been waiting on this train for 10 years, I ain't about to miss it!

[Doc22]

Anyone who thinks 355, 385,400, or 460 hp isn't enough needs to go to the nearest dodge dealer and test drive a 345 hp hemi. I just did. Wow! Most of us are not running as much HP as we think we are now. My bet is the majority don't even know. A 400 sbc was anywhere from 225 to 325 hp stock.

[mattsmom]

I would like for some one to start a series in this area with the rules like they are now. I like Docs idea i just dont like the rules. i would rather have a cubic inch motor rule they to buy one from some one you dont know. My brouther would be more then willing to do something like that. he drives the 2+2 car that runs at brushcreek